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DStepp Member	posted March 19, 2003 08:58 AM .....open to speculation.I have learned the following from a secret source. - There will be a new GA #1 this year. - It's one that has been worked on for some time but source material has been elusive. - They anticipate broad appeal. I think this rules out Hawkman #1 since they should have the source material from the Flash Archives. I also think this thumps Dr. Fate for similar reasons re: The Spectre Archives. My guess is the Golden Age Sandman. I know they tried earlier, failed, thought about going with S&K Sandman Archives, fell back because SMT fans would be miffed, and maybe now they have it. That material is old and somewhat hard to come by because, besides Supes and Bats, Sandman is one of the oldest characters. My other guess is that its a compilation. Bob has mentioned that Big All-American as something they were "thinking about" and maybe they will put it with the two stray All-Stars. That would appeal to everyone. My final guess is that they have finally found a way to technically deal with the Quality Lou Fine material, which opens up several avenues. D. IP: Logged
TheRogueLegionnaire Member	posted March 19, 2003 09:11 AM Superboy IP: Logged
friend Member	posted March 19, 2003 09:11 AM I might get my head kicked for asking but here goes - would Superboy's early adventures be gold??? (I think it's silver but just wondering...) ------------------ http://www.freewebs.com/salamie63/index.htm IP: Logged
dylanfan Member	posted March 19, 2003 09:18 AM I hope we see a Superboy book this year (it would be Golden Age, by the way- his More Fun strips started in the late 40s) but I certainly hope it's not the one we're being baited with by DStepp here. When I see that book, I will say "it's finally here!" instead of "wow! A new GA #1!!!!" No, for this book, I hope we're talking about Sandman. That's my #1 GA book, and I hope they take it from the top. As much as I love Jack Kirby, I want to see that character get his full representation, straight from the top. ------------------ Visit the Marvel Masterworks fansite and Message Board: Go to www.marvelmasterworks.freeservers.com IP: Logged
quincyjb Member	posted March 19, 2003 09:53 AM Sandman because of the character's popularity. The difficulty putting it together probably indicates this rather than the All-Star/Big All-American volume. Questions from those of us without a strong GA background: Are the early Sandman stories any good? Is the artwork moody, realistic, or what? Does Sandman fight gangsters in almost every story or is there variety? IP: Logged
CMCINTYRE3600 Member	posted March 19, 2003 09:53 AM Yeah, I would rather it be Sandman straight from the begining, with the "broad appeal" hint, it feels more like Superboy. All the pieces just seem to point in that direction, to coin a mixed metaphor. Besides, the suddeness of this also seems to sugest Superboy, since Bob said that he'd be back on the schedual as soon as possible, and this comes off as being kind of shoe horned in. My question is, do we need another new number 1 this year? Don't get me wrong, I am always glad to get more Golden Age material, but shouldn't we focus on some existing lines, with another GA Flash or GA Starman? Chris IP: Logged
DStepp Member	posted March 19, 2003 09:57 AM Damn. Superboy. I think I need to re-think. D. IP: Logged
srca1941 Member	posted March 19, 2003 10:32 AM I think the greatest possibility is Superboy (we all know there have been problems with it that seem to match the description), followed by Sandman (for reasons DStepp mentioned), and then All-Star/Big AA. (Though I don't think the latter material is too illusive as I have color scans of All-Star #1 and Big All-American. If I can get them DC can.) If they did find a way to work with Fine, then my guess would be Doll Man. Of all the Quality material, I would think his would be most difficult to get a hold of. Especially since his first volume would cover such a broad range as Feature Comics 27-50. After that, the Ray would likely be the next most likely/elusive, then Uncle Sam, Black Condor, etc. -Steve ------------------ Visit "The Golden Years" http://www.goldenyears.cjb.net My "Future Archives" Page: http://www.dcarchives.cjb.net IP: Logged
Triplicate Boy Member	posted March 19, 2003 11:16 AM I don't think you need to rethink at all, DStepp. IMHO, Superboy doesn't have broad appeal at all; the pre-Weisinger stories are mind-numbing. But Sandman does have that iconic 'look'. There's also the slight slight chance it's something like Strange Adventures (oh please God), which would appeal to non-superhero fans as well. IP: Logged
srca1941 Member	posted March 19, 2003 11:33 AM I think you're underestimating Superboy, everything I've read has been good. The early ones seem to stumble a bit, but should be getting on track by the end of the first volume. Certainly by the second. I wouldn't count him out at all. -Steve ------------------ Visit "The Golden Years" http://www.goldenyears.cjb.net My "Future Archives" Page: http://www.dcarchives.cjb.net IP: Logged
GDL Member	posted March 19, 2003 11:44 AM I truly hope that is Sandman...you'd have one severely please Archive consumer here! ------------------ Proud member of Hal's Emerald Advancement Team Hal fans aren't going away...YOU "Get Over It"! Hal Jordan is Green Lantern, Jim Corrigan is The Spectre Also co-founder of the Golden age Sandman club/group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goldenagesandman/ DEATH to the 90's Tinfoil Age Of Comics! Green Lantern 1940-1993 IP: Logged
dylanfan Member	posted March 19, 2003 11:55 AM I'll be happy, of course, if this this volume is Superboy, but it won't carry much dramatic weight with me when announced. It'll be a rather ho-hum event, since we've anticipated this book for the longest time now. In fact, wasn't it posited that when Superboy finally did see publication, it would be as an additional book on the schedule, and not a "slot-taker?" It appears that this book would indeed be taking a slot, so we'll always be able to look back at the month it was supposed to have been delivered (something like August of 2001?) and feel oh so very cheated. Ahhh....the pathos of being an Archives fan! ------------------ Visit the Marvel Masterworks fansite and Message Board: Go to www.marvelmasterworks.freeservers.com IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted March 19, 2003 12:09 PM quote: Originally posted by dylanfan: ...wasn't it posited that when Superboy finally did see publication, it would be as an additional book on the schedule, and not a "slot-taker?"... I expressed that hope at one point, but I don't think anyone has really put it forward as a probability. Superboy seems most likely to me. Broad appeal exists in the non-fan market for anything Superman-or-Batman-related, and I'd imagine that's what DC usually means when they use that term. Early Comic Cavalcade issues aren't exactly plentiful, and the series collects the entire issues rather than breaking it down by character, that could constitute "broad appeal". The same could apply to our postulated Golden Age Archive, collecting All-Star #1-2 and the Big All-American Comic Book: scarce material and broad (in this case VERY broad fan appeal. Captain Marvel Jr. would have fairly broad support, but I question the rarity of the material, and there's the restoration problem. Sandman is pretty well unknown outside of fan circles, but I agree that he'd fit the other criteria, and the appeal within fandom is certainly there. The same would apply to Fine (Doll Man is certainly rare), and to Simon & Kirby, but I don't think Newsboy Legion stories are all that hard to come by, especially since the first half dozen or so were already reprinted in the '70s. IP: Logged
friend Member	posted March 19, 2003 12:10 PM Just an extra comment here - I'd expect Superboy to be out (if possible) also because of the huge hype surrounding Smallville series on tv. It might be a plus for a few extra sales... ------------------ http://www.freewebs.com/salamie63/index.htm IP: Logged
FOG Member	posted March 19, 2003 12:10 PM I have to say that it sounds like Superboy to me, with the "been worked on for a long time" comment. If it is, I will feel like others here. I'll be happy, but I'm not gonna do cartwheels. IF, ON THE OTHER HAND, this was Sandman or Dollman, I'd be exceedingly overjoyed and do more cartwheels than Shannon Miller at the Olympics (ok, I can't do cartwheels, but I'd try). Gary "if not for the 'worked on a while' comment, I think D would be on to something with his Sandman comments" O. IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted March 19, 2003 12:27 PM So here's a possible consequence: If it is indeed Superboy vol.1, and we already know that there's a Superman vol.6 due in June, does that make a second volume of Supergirl this year less likely? I'd think it would. Too much of a good thing... IP: Logged
friend Member	posted March 19, 2003 12:31 PM Good comment Mr Friel but I wouldn't mind Superman 6, Superboy 1 and Supergirl 2. YET, if I was forced to choose - I'd go with Supergirl 2. Why? 1-Silver-Age with Superman sa. 2-Stories are good. 3-I'm afraid Superboy will be fighting only gangsters. 4-My gut. Friend. ------------------ http://www.freewebs.com/salamie63/index.htm IP: Logged
srca1941 Member	posted March 19, 2003 12:33 PM Maybe if it is Superboy, and Supergirl was schedualed, they bumped her into next year to make room for him. -Steve ------------------ Visit "The Golden Years" http://www.goldenyears.cjb.net My "Future Archives" Page: http://www.dcarchives.cjb.net IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted March 19, 2003 12:46 PM quote: Originally posted by srca1941: Maybe if it is Superboy, and Supergirl was schedualed, they bumped her into next year to make room for him. -Steve That's would be my guess, too. The next question, bumping the dominoes along (and extending our chain of reasoning perhaps past the breaking point), is whether the hypothetical addition of Superboy in place of Supergirl changes the overall Silver-Gold balance of the year to 8-6 or to 7-7? If 7-7, what's the other GA volume to be (we know Spectre, Superman, a Batman volume, and we're assuming All-Star, Plastic Man and now provisionally Superboy)? GA Green Lantern? Shazam!? If 8-6, what are the three remaining SA volumes (after Aquaman, Dynamic Duo, Challengers, JLA, and Legion)? We've been assuming either Atom or Hawkman--perhaps both? World's Finest seems likely, but there's Superman in there again... Green lantern? Doom Patrol? The year still looks very fluid from an outsider's perspective (which is only right, since it's just March.) IP: Logged
Donna Troy Fan Member	posted March 19, 2003 01:26 PM I think it will be Superboy. Fits the criteria and will have a fairly broad appeal. Unless its All-star 0 (or whatever we are calling 1 & 2) IP: Logged
NecessaryImpurity Member	posted March 19, 2003 03:47 PM Under the "broad appeal" criterion, the only things that come to mind are Superman in World's Finest, Superboy, Marvel Family, and a complete Comic Cavalcade anthology. If you stretch this a bit, you can pull in the unArchived JSAers, Green Arrow, and the Seven Soldiers. I don't think any other characters qualify as "broad appeal". Under the "elusive source material" criterion, this is one of the two leading theories for the Superboy delay. I've long wondered about the technical challenge of scanning the squarebound World's Finest, and that would apply to Comic Cavalcade, too. The "squarebound problem" would affect Superman in WFC, Sandman, Green Arrow, and the hoped-for complete Comic Cavalcade. If the ellusiveness is based on finding a good copy of any particular magazine, then we could be talking almost anybody. The "worked on for some time" criterion sure points to Superboy. I don't know of any other character that has been publicly touted then dropped. I'm thinking it's Superboy. IP: Logged
Tom Fury Member	posted March 19, 2003 05:52 PM Heh. Wishful thinking with Sandman there, but Superboy ain't too shabby either. IP: Logged
Triplicate Boy Member	posted March 19, 2003 05:56 PM Are we agreed, then, that it is almost surely either Superboy or Sandman? Can anyone else think of anything that would fit the criteria? IP: Logged
KryptoSuperDog Member	posted March 19, 2003 06:06 PM Sandman??? Hoo-hah. Get out yer gasmasks, pals and gals. Time to put some gangsters to beddy-bye! IP: Logged
Mike Falcon Member	posted March 19, 2003 06:18 PM A Sandman Archives might appeal to Vertigo fans because of Sandman Mystery Theater series as well as the conection to Gaimans "Sandman" series. This could be what they mean by "broad appeal" IP: Logged

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